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INTERVIEW with M.J. Rose

 

M.J. Rose, is the author of four novels, Lip Service, In Fidelity, Flesh Tones and Sheet Music. She also is a contributor to Writer's Digest, Poets and Writers, Oprah Magazine, The Readerville Journal and Pages.

Rose is also the co-author with Angela Adair Hoy of How to Publish and Promote Online, and with Doug Clegg of Buzz Your Book.

Lip Service became the first e-book and the first self-published novel chosen by the LiteraryGuild/Doubleday Book Club as well as being the first e-book to go on to be published by a mainstream New York publishing house.

Rose has since been called the "poster girl" of e-publishing by Time magazine and has been profiled in Forbes, The New York Times, Business 2.0, Working Woman, Newsweek and New York Magazine.

Lip Service has been published in seven countries. In Fidelity is in its fourth printing and was chosen by Cosmopolitan Magazine as the July 2001 Book of the Month.

Rose has appeared on The Today Show, Fox News, The Jim Lehrer NewsHour, and features on her have appeared in dozens of magazines and newspapers in the U.S. and abroad, including USAToday, Stern, L'Official, Poets and Writers and Publishers Weekly.

How did you first learn about self-publishing? Tell us the story behind your self-published book “Lip Service.”

I knew about self publishing from reading biographies of Anais Nin and D.H. Lawrence in college.

When my agent hit a wall in selling my novel Lip Service, I started to think about those authors I'd read about - Virginia Woolfe and Mark Twain included and more - who'd also struggled to get published and stuck out on their own.

In my case, despite editors loving my work, the publisher's didn't know how to market it.

I write books that don't fit a category. A little too erotic, a little too commercial to be literary, a little too literary to be commercial. And on and on. So I started to think that maybe I'd try an experiment.

It was 1998 and no one was talking ebooks or POD or marketing books on line. But I had an idea to put up an electronic version of the book, market it online, and see if I could sell it. The plan being, to prove to the publishers that there was a way to market my fiction. At some point I also printed up about 3000 books because far more people wanted a printed copy than an electronic download. We didn't even know the phrase ebooks back then. And there were no POD companies - I used a traditional printer, hired a real art director, had the book professionally designed, etc.

After six months of working at marketing the book on line, six days a week, six hours a day, the book picked up buzz and was discovered by an editor at the Doubleday Book Club and Literary Guild. She bought it for the clubs - two first - the first time they'd bought a self published novel as well as the first time they'd bought - or anyone had bought - an ebook to take to print traditionally. My agent then took the book out again and three weeks later Pocket Books bought it.

Looking back, what would you have done differently? What lessons did you learn?

Not a thing. I never expected anything that happened. I just wanted to see if I could figure out how to market the book. It never occurred to me I'd be the first person to cross over from e to traditional, or the first person to use the Internet to successfully market a work of fiction.

The main lesson I learned was to trust my instincts. And never give up.

The other lesson I learned was that people look down on self published writers. They did then, they do now. Independent film makers get awards, independent authors get sneers. Despite that, I do see that traditional publishing companies are picking up about 20 self pubbed books a year. Look at Zane - who started out self pubbing, look at the book Eragon - this years huge bestseller. That was first self published. The publishers know we are doing some of their marketing for them in testing the waters. And they are responsive.

Did self-publishing “Lip Service” give you any advantages when it came time to publish your other books?

Not directly, but I covered e-publishing for Wired.com for four years and have written over 150 articles about publishing and all that gives me advantages of knowing a lot about publishing. Yet sometimes knowing a lot is a problem, too. I get depressed from all the bad news.

What precautions would you give to writers who are thinking about self-publishing a book?
Can you share some "inside secrets" that you have learned along the way with regard to self-publishing?

To self publish or Not

Reasons to do it:

Your are an author with an out of print book - use the authors guild program to get your books back into print.

You have a book you intend to sell /give to friends and family - a memoir, a book of all the grandkids poems - a cookbook you are going to sell at the church fair as a fund raiser etc.

You have a fiction book, have had an agent and have gotten great rave rejections but everyone thinks the market is too small and you want to test the waters and go on line and do a lot of work marketing the book to see if there is indeed a market.

You have a non fiction book that appeals to a niche audience - and you are a speaker who can sell books at all the conferences you do - but the market isn't quite big enough for a publisher to bite.


What to watch out for -

While over 50 self published novels and even more non fiction books have gone from self published to NYC traditional houses in the last few years - not one got there without the author him or herself doing all the marketing work.

POD and self publishing companies do tend to see authors as consumers and "sell" to them, playing to their dreams. So don't do the expensive marketing and press packages they offer. They don't help. NYC publishers like Random House and Harper Collins can't even get reviews and sales for all their books.

You can market a book yourself - but you have to do it yourself and plan to spend at least six months doing it. Never has this phase been more true than in this area - if it sounds too good to be true, it isn't true. The marketing and press the companies offer fall on the deaf ears of the reviewers and book sellers. Caveat Emptor.

Do you feel that self-publishers should look into getting an agent or publicist?

Yes. Self publishing, in my opinion, should be a last resort, especially for a fiction writer.

What has been some of your most successful book marketing techniques?

Get involved with people as a person - not a marketer or an author - but as a friend and people will be interested in your book.

What are your thoughts on POD publishing?

POD is a method of printing. Its not a form of publishing. And as a method of getting books printed its fine. Random House, Simon and Schuster and more use print on demand with some of their back list books. The problem is for authors to think that Xlibiris, iUniverse, Authors House or any of these firms are publishing companies. They are not. Use them as printers, hire your own editorial and design services if you want a totally professional product. Do your own marketing.

Does the “poster girl” of e-publishing have any good advice about eBooks?

E-books are not an end in themselves. They are merely a form. There are hardcovers, trade paperbacks, audio books, mass market books and there are ebooks. I don't think anyone should only publish an ebook without a paper counterpart unless you have a damn good reason - like it's an interactive book that only works online. I think novelists - especially - make a mistake in this area and think that there are more ebook readers out there than there are.

In what ways do you see the Internet changing the way self-publishers publish and market their books?

It changed everything and made everything possible but so quickly it has become far too crowded - with over 75,000 self pubbed books a year fighting for competition, it's very very very very very hard to make any noise.

In what ways has your Website helped you with promoting your work?

It helps promote my backlist. Someone reads one of my books and likes it and goes an looks me up at my site to find out what else I have for them.

For the writer out there who has a great idea for a book, what are some recommendations for finding out its marketability? What steps should they take after their book idea has been tested and found worthy?

Get an agent. If you can't get an agent, I wouldn't pursue the book. The thing is agents are in business to sell books. They are looking for books. They take on new writers every single day. They may not sell the book, and then you can turn to self pubbing. But without being able to find an objective person in the business of knowing what might work, don't assume that cause your mom and your sister like the book it has legs.

Then let the agent try to sell it. And only then turn to self pubbing.

Once there. Do as much as you can yourself and don't buy into the expensive marketing packages that the POD companies offer. You are a consumer now, act like one. Talk to other writers who've succeeded at this. Take some classes - online. I even teach one at www.writersweekly.com/wwu.
Buy some books, lots of books, I even have written two - How to Publish and Promote on Line by M.J. Rose and Angela Hoy and Buzz your Book with M.J. Rose and Doug Clegg. Also read Jacqueline Duval's Publicize your Book.

Join online communities, learn, be patient.

Remember its damn hard to do this well. But it can be done.

And at the end of the day, there is nothing like getting a letter from a fan telling you how much your book meant to them, how it changed their life, or lightened their load, or made them think about something differently.

We are communicators. Books are the way we do that. My advice to writers is focus on the writing, the writing, the writing. Don't quit your day job, and do this because you love to do it. And get pleasure out of every small step. Also, read and buy books. Please. Support the business that you want to be part of.

Contact Information:

Rose can be reached at MJRoseAuthor@aol.com
Visit http://www.mjrose.com

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